When Biology Meets Cosmology - Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins
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Neil deGrasse Tyson welcomes ethologist, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins at Hayden Planetarium - Sep 2015. More Information about Neil deGrasse Tyson - www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/ https://www.facebook.com/neildegrassetyson http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/21/scientists-who-are-actually-really-stupid-1-neil-degrasse-tyson/ More Information about Richard Dawkins https://richarddawkins.net/ https://www.theguardian.com/science/dawkins Some of other Neil deGrasse Tyson Videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPszYa77CkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOPEPVYAnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdtfbPsRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd1i3vkkh-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTZyVZBtP70 Some of amazing videos featuring Richard Dawkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAV_0s1c2V4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqMWP2wxW4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfmd_OPVORo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtw6ABSkRnw
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I reckon logic has been on the decline for several decades now because it has been encouraged very subtly over the past few decades, likely in the general interest of consumerism. If you want Americans to buy your shit, you would prefer stupid Americans so that they don't think logically about the purchase and just buy. Same thing with politics and religion (religion of course being the origin of removing logic in the population for better control by the logical minority). Just an unconscious accident of the human condition and capitalism/democracy really.
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I hope they do another "Four Horsemen" conversation, and I'd love to see Neil join the other three survivors of Christopher Hitchens.
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Also, Dawkins laments that some people don't realize how beautiful the universe is. how do you determine what is beautiful? Some people who know more are less impressed by it. Some people are simply focused elsewhere. Sometimes the most beautiful thing is what you have never seen before multiplied by how much you perceive about that thing. So I'd say that lots of people look at the universe and don't see much... or again they are focused on a different part of the universe.
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I'm not an academic. I ask, how do you have a quality discussion about the
-essence-of logic and "logical thinking" without defining what that is for a human being? Ultimately, isn't it subjective? Isn't it simply that academics are often on the same concept more often than the average person outside of academia? It seems to me that the matter of what is logical is highly dependent on the processes and functions of a lifeform and whether it requires more conscious or subconscious/instinctive cognitive . -
I think he's on to something. We should definitely bootify the constitution... Free booty for everyone!!
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Y'ALL ARE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THE WORD and you still film in SD?
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i think they talk like robots. i think there is no such black and white certainity that god doesnt exists and all can be explained by science. maybe "god" can be something to people who lack of something. it fills them. everyone has something which makes them feel fullfilled. maybe when you die you go to where you believe you will go.
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42:00 not only unimaginable but I've seen it happen almost like that
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great point richard makes on american politicians with the lies of their beliefs
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anyone listening to this while playing Doom o.O?
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Funny how Dawkins politely laughs at Neil's jokes :D
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I normally do not comment on videos 7 minutes in but, I have never wanted to be in the room able to add input to a conversation so bad in my entire life. Here are two scientific rational thinkers that I highly respect and both have assisted me in my intellectual development. They are talking about math skills and logic and are missing a significant amount of information regarding evolution and the human brain. What I would add to the conversation would be this....We are humans yes which is a variant species of primate. Our brains have 3 layers. Each layer has different functions and operational characteristics. The smallest is the reptilian brain which is instinct driven and the source of our fight or flight survival drives. the next layer is our mammal layer. Which like all mammal is a complex reactionary system the operates socially and emotionally. the last layer is what makes us human. it is the outer layer including our frontal lobe. This is where we derive logic and reasoning. Now the degree to which an individual is operating in any given system will be exhibited in their behavior and capacities to understand.
I believe most of today's society utilizes their human layers to decode quickly emotional and social input and that although the human layer is active it has not been put in charge. I believe most people are acting out their mammal brain functions. which as I stated before is primarily driven by social and emotional forces. I do not see this changing any time soon. our society is run by systems such as capitalism. Which is a process of emotionally munipulating people into irrational wants. This I believe to be the chains that force us to function primarily under our mammal brains governance. I have so much more to say but this is a comment not a novel section lol. So if anyone would like to understand more about this topic. Please research nutrition and how the brain receives it. more specifically in what order and what effects does malnutrition have on a 3 layers brain system. Spoiler drug addicts lose mammal empathy and are driven primarily by their reptilian brains which is driven unremorsefully to seek out the drug that has gotten its ways into your needs of survival list most importantly above food.. Devolve a mammal brain through starvation. the human layer and it's ability to function is highly dependent on proper nutrition. -
so many educated people in the comment section i have to double check the meaning of some of the words.
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There is rational, irrational, and super rational. It is easy to mistake irrational for super rational. Super rational thinking allows the solving of problems too complex or with too many variables to be solved rationally. In layman's terms acting on faith can allow us to act on true information that is currently beyond our understanding leading to a more successful outcome.
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I love listening to conversations like this. Tyson and Dawkins are so rational, accurate, and generally pay close attention to precision. They make great points, back their claims up with evidence, and walk through propositions with examples. They're phenomenal intellectuals. It's such a shame that many people refuse to entertain ideas based solely on the religious views of the sharer. They REALLY don't know what they're missing.
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I think that a major idea of the American experiment is "Equality in Opportunity", not "Equal in Result" there are plenty of people who have worked very diligently and have failed; and there are plenty who have had success. The idea of pushing a message that one group is "morally good", etc is fine;however, the expectation that one interest group should have power since they exist is a faulty idea.
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Yeah fear over logic can help keep you alive. But what about promiscuity people guys included.
The more educated people who practice safer sex and chooses their mate more carefully are less likely to reproduce. While the promiscuous are more likely to do instead of think. They are "funner"
We wonder how the prehistoric people are able to build pyramids and know things without technology we have now. Perhaps those people were smarter than we are now and all the uneducated people reproduced and smart people didn't.
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I love Degrasse, but the position he so happily occupies at this moment in time, is one of incredible privilege and it doesn't seem like he recognizes this enough.
He may be able to comfortably 'step back' and occupy a conscious space safely distanced from front-liners like dawkins and Harris, but lets not pretend the history of consciousness isn't what it is. Where 84% of todays world population currently profess a faith. We know that number was greater in the past. A majority of our reality has always been and still is, overwhelmingly dominated by religious thought. Most religions utterly abhor the existence of nonbelievers. Leading them to actively try to exterminate them at every chance they can. Non-believers are naturally born out of this environment. In a reactive state, fighting a fight just to even exist.
His niche'd position is special. It's only offered to him simply because ENOUGH scientifically minded front liners like dawkins and dennet have painstakingly carved out a space for him for him to occupy. Without them, supply would've demanded he metaphorically 'join the military' instead of 'command the men'.
Today is a day like non-before it, where this 'debate' between god and no god is actually starting to look like it has two sides. Although still grossly outnumbered, non beleivers have come so far and grown so much size, as evidence from one specific marker in history called the dark ages.
I do think Degrasse' perspective is great since he is trying to bridge the gap between the the two sides of belief and non-belief. He's trying to de-emphasize the blatant differences and unite in scientific progress. And of course we can always use someone like this, bipartisanship between two poles is always important. But when i watch discussions like this and see heros of mine like Dawkins stutter and stammer on points, I feel the need to clarify some things. Dawkins is a straight up warrior. Degrasse is more like a blacksmith. Both fight on the same side and both are just as necessary to the other. What-more the blacksmith can perform tasks in addition to the warrior. Which is great. But lets just remember that the blacksmith holds a privileged position. And in the olden days when the time came, even the blacksmith became a warrior when his country called upon him. That when the difference between these two men's perspectives become almost indistinguishable. -
wow such tiny hands!!!
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I found the sound quality poor..
But it is such an interview! Would love to heve it transcripted, any hints?
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