PHILOSOPHY - Religion: Cosmological Argument #1 [HD]
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Part 1 of a pair. Timothy Yenter (University of Mississippi) lays out a classic argument for the existence of God, called 'The Cosmological Argument' -- roughly, the idea that something has to explain why the world is the way it is, and that something is God. He distinguishes two versions: the Beginnings Argument, and the Modal Argument. He covers the Beginnings Argument. See part 2 here: http://youtu.be/mBMAMIFw9n4?list=PLtKNX4SfKpzV9pyWlP-LjpDc_Xvf6OpME Help us caption & translate this video! http://amara.org/v/ErgY/
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I don't see any inconsistency about an actual infinite existing physically. In math, a function or set of functions can fill an actual infinite, and physicists seem to agree all physical reality can be described in terms of perhaps a single mathematical function.
Or it could be the big bang is the true beginning of everything and physical reality is a ray function. Either way is mathematically sound. -
How do you get to the 2nd second? If you have to go through an infinite amount of "sup-seconds" first?
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Effect can come before a cause though, as quantum physics has shown time & time again.
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"The Big Bang Theory shows us that the universe had a beginning" [5:30]
Wrong. It only tells us that in the past the universe was hot and dense, NOT that it began to exist. -
If an infinity has occurred does it not then lose its infinity definition? Once something has stopped occurring it must be defined as finite, right?
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Isn't it also a fallacy to consider the universe as a thing? Space, time and the whole of it, are tough 'things' to ascribe qualities to. Its just a question about how we should define it, not about what it is. (Because 'IT' isn't)
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The cosmological argument is very weak. It assumes the universe has to have a cause, but no one has ever managed to prove this.
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The supercounter thing does not work because there IS a smallest unit of meaningful time, so in order to actually "count" you'd have to pause at least that amount of time to count again.
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3:20 yes, yes it does make perfect sense to speak about infinite causes. And the premise that "everything that begins to exist" is already completely unfounded because there is no reason to conclude that anything has ever began to exist. The first law of thermodynamics/law of conservation of energy states that nothing begins to exist or ceases to exist.
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Or a better rebuttal to the "scientific" evidence for the kalam cosmological evidence is that the big bang theory doesn't state that the universe began to exist, but that at some point in "time" all the matter in the universe was condensed in a singularity.
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Hi Phookadude, Are you saying that an infinite number of cause-and-effect events will give rise to an infinite number of universes? Any version of the universe must exist, because there are an infinite number of them? Is that your thought?
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Infinity isn't a number it's the set of all numbers. If you have an infinite series of numbers how many times does the number "4" appear in that set?; an infinite number of times, like wise "42" or "429835671" any finite number will occur an infinite number of times in a infinite set of numbers. The universe represents a finite state; so if there is an infinity that the universe comes from there are infinite copies of the universe in it.
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Hi Phookadude, I don't think the video says that an infinite number of cause-and-effect events need to occur for our universe to exist. The videos says that this notion doesn't seem to make sense. The unlikelihood of the universe coming from an infinite series of cause-and-effect events is precisely the grounds for having the Cosmological Argument. You also said "infinity would contain an infinite number of universes..." I don't quite understand what that means. Can you clarify?
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The idea that in order for our universe to occur it would require "counting" through an infinite number of steps to get to that possibility is wrong. Infinity would contain an infinite number of universes exactly like ours, infinity doesn't make things impossible it makes them inevitable.
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