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Hugh Ross is the founder and president of Reasons to Believe (reasons.org), and is both an astrophysicist (Ph.D., University of Vancouver) and a pastor, the author of over a dozen books, including his latest, Why The Universe Is The Way It Is. Here is the discussion of the other debate he refers to and the assessment of it by other astronomers. http://www.reasons.org/astronomers-age-of-universe http://www.reasons.org/files/astronomers-statement.pdf Jason Lisle is with Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis (answersingenesis.org), and he's the designer of their Creation Museum in Cincinnati, his Ph.D. in astrophysics is from the University of Colorado, and his latest book is The Ultimate Proof of Creation: Resolving The Origins Debate.