Jim Wilhelmsen's FLAT EARTH COSMOLOGY CONFUSION

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1. You showed no proof or stated no official research? You just are saying you think he is wrong based on Jim's logic lines up with science. That's crap.. You are just talking about your opinion. Back it up brother!
2. the problem is they havent looked where we are coming from. btw i think i might have got doug hamp to take alook at flat earth. got to talking with him yesterday. on his latest video in the comments
3. Just observe the shadow of any object on flat vertical surface during sun rise or sun set. The lenght of them are exactly the same (high of an object and its shadow) It means that the Sun rays are nearly parallel to the ground/horizontal (about 1-2 degrees to the ground max). The Sun really hides behind the horizon. It is not an optical ilusion. There is no "vanishing point". The Sun would be always visible if the Earth was flat. Not 1-2 degrees angle as I measured it, but 9 degrees angle to the ground if it was 5000 km above the plane. Jim Wilhelmsen is right-you are either deceived or deceivers
4. To us, as creatures, a flat earth is impossible. A globe is impossible, but to the Lord a flat globe is possible. With an infinite finite universe, drawn out like a curtain. Placed there like toy blocks for signs and seasons, literally and figuratively. Discerning the seasons but not the signs. A prideful stance, God has shown, is not allowed. We who think have a problem with thinking, and think we are right. The heart and mind is deceptive and wicked.
5. It's like this, as hard as it is to believe there are many people who do not believe in God and will stop at nothing to disprove or discredit anything that gives credit to the creation or the creator.. God is real and anyone who believes that will seek him diligently and even be open minded to some degree. I know an atheist who's explanation as to why he is so set on disproving God is because he does not feel that humans should have to serve anyone and that we should be able to do what we want within our own moral value systems without the intervention of a superior being.. I say this...how can moral values exist without one who is all powerful to set the standard? Oh well all we can do is try to get through to those who are lost and are willing to listen...It does not matter what cosmology we have, without God we have nothing, and without love we have nothing...God bless
6. Excellent video...I feel the same...I bought many books about various UFO and abduction scenarios over the years and also feel that a lot of what I thought were credible researchers, have now become not so credible and maybe part of the "Global Crew"...especially the more "Academic" of Researchers...I feel that the flat earth is much bigger...more land beyond the ice, but maybe the Firmament or Firmaments are just layers, different densities...and multidimensions as well...I think Wafers..;)...But the layout could be more like the buddhist and Eastern versions of the World...Our Flat Earth amongst and next to other Flat Earths, Realms maybe a better word..anyway, great vid...;)
7. This video got me thinking of David Flynn's book "Temple at the Center of TIme". My reading of it from a heliocentric viewpoint (only by default since I had never considered geocentricity), inferred a message of God's sovereignty and omnipotence to embed within creation mathematical congruity between different bodies such as the earth moon and sun.
   
   I was actually pretty blown away by the correlations that are made by the purported dimensions and distances of these bodies (many of them based on pi) according to the heliocentric model.
   
   Now, having the heliocentric model being brought to an improbable status in my mind, I am beginning to think that there may be much to glean from that book in regards to the efforts of the occultist John Dee to establish the statute mile based on the "sacred cubit". Perhaps it's significant that these mathematical relationships are figured in statute miles.
   
   Looking at it from the standpoint that the celestial bodies are what modern science says they are, it's easy to wonder in amazement that God has ordered things so precisely as to make all those correlations exist. But what if such correlations are found to be the conjured product of careful, and indeed supernatural intelligence to give mathematical substance to the lie?
   
   I wonder if Mr. Flynn, if still alive, would have had the disposition to allow certain presuppositions of his work to be challenged at the prospect of a geocentric cosmology, realizing the import that the vast body of his research would still carry.
8. Bro, I totally feel your frustration. Apart from all the many great researchers in the bible prophecy camp who can't wrap their brains around the simple FE, are Christians who are open minded to a point. I find they'll track with me on many things but as soon as I try to speak of FE, then suddenly I'm crazy & everything else I've said must be crazy as well!!! I'll get told that I'm wasting time researching things & that they're worried about me now as I'm losing my focus. Then they get ultra spiritual by telling me that as long as we keep our focus on Jesus that's all that matters. But I like what Skiba says to that - if all that concerned YHWH was salvation in His Son, Yeshua, then the Bible would be a LOT thinner!!! The Bible is clear that salvation is ONLY The BEGINNING of all the wisdom & teachings the Father had for His children. He wants us to grow in BOTH grace AND knowledge but sadly, many Christians park their butts @ salvation, maybe go as far as the alien deception.
9. NASA lied. God made the flat earth and the three heavens above it. They never sent men to the moon, as they could never get past the Van Allan radiation belts.
10. you are a true voice and your notions are shared by others. others who are honest with themselves while compiling the architecture of this realm. to see all these others who are skewing the flat earth truth and looking at it through lenses of dogma and engrained assumptions only makes us identify more layers of programming, mind molding, psychic driving, onion like barriers of the mind put there on purpose and assess them for what they are. yes I am sad these people don't know their own mind from others thoughts enough to see the truth within. but that's why we are here, everyone who knows the son of the almighty be pure with intent. we can only show them the door.
    
    what do you think of the earth being an endless plain where stars or light beings come down to dance and melt the ice to make a pond and then start creating, building with the light, the true light. an endless plain of earth and sky in all directions, and the almost eternal light entitys that live above may experience time differently to us? if some sparks up there are of the highest one, could they come again?
    regards
11. All, we as Christians, really need to do, is just ask God with all of our hearts, to teach us his truths, and to give us discernment, and when you ask with all of your hearts, he will do just that, giving his gifts out in so many different ways, to one person this gift, and another person that gift, as one body in Christ, coming together, to finally fulfill all things in Christ, God bless you all !!!!!!!
12. Zen Garcia, was one that stepped up to the plate, with all of his early research that he did, and books that he wrote, he was challenged, and asked the question,? I thought you had an open mind,? he was asked, you need to at least look into it and see what you think? so he said he thought about it, and went ahead I looked into it, he said he thought he would only be looking into it for about an hour or so, but then found himself looking into it for days, even months, then he said he had to rethink everything, so much in fact, that he wrote a new book, about decrypting The Book of Enoch and the Flat Earth, it takes a real True Believer, with your heart in the right place, to admit that you were wrong, and to come to the conclusion that we've been lied to again, but this time, In such a much even bigger scale, Satan is a liar, and the father of Lies, he's lied from the very beginning, I don't know why people can't seem to remember that fact, especially people that say they are Christians, and that they have opened minds, well I guess it goes back to when Jesus said, that my sheep hear my voice, and that means, that not all will hear his voice, very sad but true, so Satan is keeping most people blind, so that he can gobble up their souls to create his army, to fight God, when the time comes, as fast as he can, because he knows that his time is short, don't stop doing what you're doing, because it is one of the ways, for God to use you, and his true followers in these last days, to open up the eyes of those who will see, and the ears of those who will hear, God bless you!!!!!!!
13. Hello Everyone, please, this video is made for all Humans and for Flat Earthers in general, please watch it if you want to see more truth about our reality, THERE ARE NO FORESTS ON FLAT EARTH! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHkiZNT3cyE
14. Proper education on the Bible? I guess the Holy Spirit is not good enough huh?
15. Thanks for this and I agree. We are trying to understand the material world we live in which is a reflection of the greater spiritual realm. As above, so below. The domed flat earth model, especially the latest flat earth model that was recently released just makes sense. I"m excited that when enough skilled people get on board we will gain knowledge, exponentially. ...and lots of gatekeepers will do their best to muddy the waters.
16. If the earth is flat then....
    
    1. Why do stars rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the southern hemisphere? How come you can't see Polaris from South Africa?
    
    2. Why do all snipers, artillery troops, and ballistic missile targeting software have to account for something called the Coriolis effect?
    
    3. Why do we have both a north AND south magnetic pole? Isn't there just one pole on a FE model?
    
    4. Why hasn't anyone taken a photo of the edge of the earth, or the Ice Wall of Doom? Did you know you can visit Antarctica? Why hasn't any FE'r tried? I'd want to know the truth if I was that passionate about it. Here’s a picture of the Himawari 8 satellite, it’s geostationary and was launched by Japanese weathermen, so it’s not NASA: https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xvoIbtFOAJoL72/giphy.gif
    
    5. How come you can travel from South America to Australia and fly over Antarctica? Shouldn't they be on opposite sides of the FE model?
    
    6. If the sun is really close, then how come it doesn't get bigger from sunrise to mid day, and smaller from mid day to sunset?
    
    7. How come we can't see the sun with a powerful telescope moments after a sunset? Shouldn't it be right there if the earth was flat?
    
    8. How come ships appear to sink over the horizon, losing the hull first before the mast? If it was truly 'perspective' then it should disappear at the same time.
    
    9. Why do solar and lunar eclipses exist? Aren't the sun and moon always on opposite sides on a FE model?
    
    10. We've observed different phases of Venus, the moon, and other planets, leading to strong evidence that they are spherical. Shadows from the craters on the moon further back that assessment. Why is the earth any different?
    
    11. Why do we observe something called retrograde motion while observing the outer planets?
    
    12. Why does Qantas flight #63 from Johannesburg to Sydney and back travel East/West instead of North/South? On a FE model, the distance traveled would be three times as far, and the direction should be North/South https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA63
    
    13. If satellites aren’t real, then how come I can use google earth and zoom in on my house, with a top side view of my cars in the driveway and pool in the backyard?
    
    14. Place an object (say a large boulder) exactly halfway between Jupiter and Saturn. Which way does the object go and why?
    
    15. Radio waves perpetrate forever. Why do I lose signal to a radio station when driving long distances in my car?
    
    16. If the sun were 3000 miles high as FE'rs claim then let's ponder this....China is 7200 miles from coastal California. So on a flat earth model, when the sun is on the other side of the "dinner plate", according to basic trigonometry the sun should never get any lower than 22.6 degrees ABOVE the horizon when viewing a sunset from California. However, we observe the sun going below this value all the way to zero degrees as it sets. If it were truly perspective, it would just fade away at a point in the sky 22.6 degrees above the horizon. So either sunsets are fake, trigonometry is fake, or the FE model is fake. Take your pick....
    
    17. Finally, explain this :http://stupidconspiracies.org/misc/toronto.gif
17. The simplest test of the flat earth that I can think of would be to take or find a time lapse photo of the southern night sky from Antarctica. If the star trails in the photo show circular patterns like the pictures of the northern sky, then we obviously live on a globe earth. If, on the other hand, the star trails are long lines and only slightly curved then the earth we live on is evidently flat with a dome full of bright light spinning above us. Very simple proof with no complex math or science fiction. Anyone have any time lapses or long exposures take of the night sky above Antarctica? Let's just find the photos and be honest with our conclusions. This would be very simple, no complex math, science, or NASA, etc.
18. What about 7th Heaven?
19. My understanding ... firmament separated water from the water  ....  no far off planets , distant galaxies. or otherworldly races.
20. the truth is stranger than fiction... I too have been following Jim's work. I've seen all his videos including his latest. What frustrates me about him is his refusal to debate his findings. Too bad, as he could learn something.