God is not a Good Theory (Sean Carroll)
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Lecture from the 2nd mini-series (Is "God" Explanatory) from the "Philosophy of Cosmology" project. A University of Oxford and Cambridge Collaboration.
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I feel sorry for scientifically minded people who still believe in God... It may be very hard to get over a constant brain manipulation during all your childhood by parents, friends and prayers repeating millions of times that there is an invisible friend in the sky who clarifies and simplifies things that are too difficult to understand.
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I am no religious freak. I just want to make that clear before posting my unbiased remarks. But is it not true that each time we invent a universe, we BECOME the God of that universe?
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"Scientology is a cult, but :my: religion is totes legit!"
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When you see scientists stepping into social issues like religious commentary I suspect they have given up somewhat on their science.
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Very excellent argument
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So if god made the universe, we would expect life to be everywhere.
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evolution is change and change happened some people just have to get over the fact that their wrong about creation theory
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Not a single word he said that I disagreed with, but yet it didn't change me a bit! I am still a strong believer! I wonder why? I guess may be because we are the only intelligent being out of a 13-billion year evolution process on earth. I still don't know if there is extraterrestrial intelligence. But why we ended up with only one specie that developed intelligence. I wonder if there will be another one any time in the future, or there has been one or more but we, humans, wiped them out through natural selection? Statistically, isn't there at least one other being out there off of this very long evolutionary process that developed intelligence? Recently it has been shown that the process of evolution is much faster than was thought! I wish Sean could dive to the lowest point in the ocean and could find a single cell creature who will be surprised that a human being of multi-cell nature as Sean's is intelligent like himself and if Sean could use his religion to satisfy his ego. I wish Sean can tell me scientifically why we are the only intelligent creature out of billions of evolutionary years on earth. May be because the wave function of the "creation" process collapsed with a human-eigenvalue when God decided to make a measurement? Finally, I wonder how Sean will be happier if God really didn't exist?
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does anyone in the room really understand what's going on in the head of seon? seon speaks in a way that
asking a question becomes difficult, and this is so because he is continuously throwing out unconfirmed premises and
build up a logic and he builds more theories on the basis of it. Sean, let's deal with one subject at a time. You are trying
to demolish many, many aspects of theism with this short, 1 hour lecture. for example, your statement 'we don't need God
to explain the origin of the universe' is a huge claim which needs a lot of explanation and to which theists are, i believe, ready to respond. -
Every thing that happens, has to have a reason. In other words, an event can not happen for no reason, out of nothing. Why? Because physical laws do not stop and if things happened billions of years ago without a reason and at random , we would see them plainly enough this minute here and every where in the Universe including in a laboratory. If anything, we see a powerful reason for everything that happens. Only a fool would say that anything happened by magic like a mouse appearing on an empty table. .Observed phenomena always have reasons, Carroll should give examples to the contrary if he knows of any phenomena without a reason. Many reasons do not make sense until analyzed in detail but still exist. The cause and effect principle then is not empirical in nature but a pure, and fundamental principle of eternal logic which holds true in all realms and all universes and a principle that can be verified empirically with precision thereby fulfilling the principles of logical positivism where Einstein theories of Relativity belong.
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Clearly Mr. Carrol has limited knowledge and has only Christian ideas about god as a separate being from ourselves and this is a grave error. Other, much older and more documented religions, some with more than ten thousand books as their Bible, view god as the ultimate being sustaining and creating our own bodies each microsecond. With this new view of God, the human imagination of any other universe without God proposed by Carrol, falls apart into ridicule as the brain sustained by God herself ultimately is doing the imagining. Imagining a universe without god is then equivalent to imagining a world without you; easily done but false. If anything, it is God imagining a world and a Universe without Herself in an excellent illusion to create each one of us as free thinkers and free agents and free to commit murder if we dare. In Carrol's world, an imagined novel in which the author does not appear it is proof that the author does not exist. It is precisely this novel with free, living and feeling beings which God has authored and from where no God can be deduced, nor glimpsed at by any of the fictitious characters, which in reality do not exist, and are indeed only creations of God's imagination, the very world and universe in which we live today.
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you'll burn in hell caroll. satan fucked you
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Carrol misuses the term theory in reference to God. God is not a theory, it has never been considered a theory throughout history. God has always been considered the ultimate reason for existence of the Universe and the end of theoretical explanations. Theory means only "to see deeply" in ancient Greek. This type of seeing was though to appear through contemplation, meditation and deep insight which produced true knowledge. The belief in a family of gods in ancient Greek society was a state of mind which shaped their society to be full of festivals, celebrations, wisdom and art besides being very uninhibited about sex and the body which was cultivated to perfection as an offer to their gods, including the god of wine Dionysius and to the goddess of love, Aphrodite. The end came when their gods were supplanted by the sexless, vengeful, dull and tyrant Hebrew god and the establishment of a calendar which has created the state of mind of the mad world we live in today. This is the true theory.
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I agree with everything he says. The concert of God is a manifestation from the human mind. There is nothing nature indicating that a God exist. The fact they demand you to read their books rather than study the natural universe shows that they are trying to indoctrinate you into believing in their sky daddy.
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Gabriel Vacariu The UNBELIEVABLE similarities between Sean Carroll’s many ideas (2016) or Franck WiIczek' ideas (2016, Nobel prize) and my ideas (2002-2010) Gabriel Vacariu http://philpapers.org/rec/VACTUS-5
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God is true
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Someone suggested we have no set morals without God. Even Christians are supposed to look to community to check we stay on trek. People can interpret the Bible differently or have different ideas about what God is saying to them. Humans share some common ideas of wrong and right through our DNA. Others come from culture, and shared experiences through living in the same world. maybe God does talk to the hearts of Man but some men seem to get bad reception or are listening to a different station.
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God is usually too vague an idea to be scientific. We might look at specific Gods such as as described in Old Testament and look to see if we can disprove any part of the Bible and this disprove a specific account of God. Science needs models with predictions. Talk of God is usually better as a conjecture of philosophy rather than as a scientific theory?
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"Free will is an emergent property that is consistent with the microscopic dynamics." – Sean Carroll
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