Does God Exist Series: The Cosmological Argument
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The Cosmological Argument is explored as one of the evidences of God's existence
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For a different version of the cosmological argument, watch the video Does God Exist? What the Modern World Has Forgotten...
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My question is if this god exists outside of time and reality then how does this god exist at all, is there another meaning to the word "exist" that I do not know about. Anything that has no temporal or spatial reality simply just does not exist to human beings. As an atheist I could make a better argument for the existence of a god than this, but even I know when an argument is trivial. And even if we do accept there must be a conscious, intelligent source for our existence how do you now go off about sin and redemption and heaven and hell and all that bull just to boost some pre-existing agenda. In conclusion, NO I WILL NOT GIVE YOU 10% OF MY EARNING.
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You are stupid. Are you really trying to tell me that there was a time before time, and that you have evidence of it!
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The Big Bang theory does not state that all the matter of the universe just poofed into existence It states that all the matter in the universe was compressed and condensed into a tiny dot the size of a grain of salt, then rapidly expanded. We cannot currently deduce what caused this expansion using physics of our universe because the universe operated on a completely different set of physics before the big bang.
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Have you ever heard of virtual particles? they pop in and out of existence all the time, without any cause at all (an effect of quantum physics). The statement, that everything that exists have to have an cause, is simply false.
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invalid argument
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Like the Cosmological argument have never been refuted before...
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"I think we all agree that for whatever is said to exist there must be an antecedent cause to it..." Stuart Mcallister..
He goes on to say that in order for things to exist IN THE UNIVERSE there has to be a cause. And of course his god isn't IN the universe.. so doesn't need a cause.. PROOF....
What nonsense. Any evidence that a god exists at all?
Any evidence that anything exists OUTSIDE of the universe at all?
Can anyone GO OUTSIDE the universe and see if there is a god out there?
How do theists define "the universe"? Don't they usually say it's EVERYTHING THERE IS?
Do theists have a MECHANISM for how all of this could possibly work EXCEPT for some MAGIC?
They begin their argument for design by POSTULATING A DESIGNER. And so they LABEL the universe as designed and NEED A DESIGNER FOR IT.
And then they go from how HUMANS design things to saying that this magic god thing would design or create things. They have NO CLUE WHATSOEVER about how this god operates, what his magic is, or why IT would ever create anything in the first place.
ALL MERE SPECULATION dressed up as some kind of "truth" I'm supposed to just swallow?
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Will you Christians stop pretending you understand the big bang theory? It is well accepted among physicists and does make sense if you understand the physics behind it - but i guess that is too much for your tiny brains.
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God created the Universe despite Science. It is a fact that Science supports the existence of God as the Creator of our Universe. We could not have evolved from Space which has a temperature of absolute zero. It is a Scientific impossibility that our fragile biology and environment could have been created within a Universe that keeps an average temperature of 400 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.
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Wow
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"if this is your god, he's not very impressive. he's got psychological problems. he's so insecure, he demands worship every seven days. he creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. he;s a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being." spock - star treck WAKE UP PEOPLE
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There is no evidence given why everything that begins needs to have a cause...and why that should necessarily be applied to the universe.
1. If you say every part of the universe we observed from inside the universe had a cause, therefore the whole universe had a cause.
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If a creator made our Universe, then who made the creator? It's funny how Christians only know about incomplete science that leaves some wiggle room for their God of the Gaps, and even funnier still that they can change the fundamental facts about their religion to make it seem less unreasonable. For example, if God did make the Universe with the Big Bang, it needs to have been done 13.7 billion years ago which is in strong contradiction with what most Christians zealously claim (with no supporting evidence) that the Universe was made only a few thousand years ago.
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Lots of assumptions being made here.
Can anyone of these people tell us what is this god's cause if everything requires a cause? -
Love real science.
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There's something I want to say, and I hope that Christians or other religious people answer me.
I believe in the posibility that God exist, but also in the possibility that he doesn't exist. But what seems very clear to me, is that, if he exist, he doesn't care about what happens to us. So, if he doesn't care, why should we worship him?.
Another thing. Lets say that a person has a horrible desease, that makes him suffer from extreme pain every day of his life, until he dies.
If God exists, there is two options:
1)God doesn't care about this person.
2)God gave this person this desease, to give him a great reward when he dies. This, also creates to problems.
A)God is interfering with this persons free will.
B)There is a bigger reward in heaven for people, acording to how horrible their life or death was. That means that in heaven, there's still a class division, just like earth, ones with more benefits than others.
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Ravi Zacharias is a very knowledgable and reasonable intellect. This was not Ravi, however the argument remains sound.
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just because it seems like a ''coherent'' explanation doesn't mean it's true at all… It really bugs me when people act all scientific, and then just simply conclude 'oh it was God' when they find themselves in front of universal questions. Yeah, science cannot explain everything now, and that's great! That's what drives science: the unknown, the mysteries. How simplistic and lazy to just throw an "answer" out there without providing any proof or method.
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wow that's smart not a lot of this people can give such a smart simple answer
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