Beyond the 'Stalemate' of Cosmology
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Abbas & Hamza speak with Rob(Speakers corner uk) about cause and effect, the double slit experiment see link below: https://youtu.be/fwXQjRBLwsQ
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What I gathered was that he didn't disagree that there was an uncaused cause, he just didn't accept that it was a conscious one. He prefers the eternal quantum vacuum concept over God. I've learned a lot from this talk, does anyone know the reasons why it is logically more reasonable from a scientific perspective to accept that the uncaused cause is conscious over unconscious/mechanical?
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there is a video where hamza debates rob i think on the grounds of cause and effect, where they discuss the example of the pie and how is it created.. can anyone refer me to that video plz??
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As salam 'Aleykoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. I am a converted muslim from France. I would like to ask Hamza infirmations on the way you do da'wah to atheists/agnostics.
I always listen to the argument of the creation on the universe etc, but like brother Abbas expose this in 19:30, this kind of argument will end up, in some cases, to be debated just for the pleasure of debate. Like the "black atheists" and the pantheist crew of Sa Ra.
And it's obviously because this argument has been created by Phylosophers, humans, that it can be refuted with the science of debate ( 'ilm al Kalam). And this arguments lead the mu'tazila ( i am sure you know about this deviant group of islam ) to in some cases beleive in pantheism, that allah is everything, and therefore that the Qur'an is created.
Wouldn't this be way faster to make the claim " I am sure that God exist, that isn't a beleive, therefore it is objective. And i will prove it to you by the linguistic miracles of the Qur'an insha Allah, and not with sciences miracles hypotheses ( who could be refuted when science change )"
Because if you succeed to make an atheist beleive in Allah ( by his mercy ) , with phylosophical arguments, then if some philosopher succeed to make a "acceptable" refutation of theses arguments, this could lead to create shubohat to the brother, or worse make him leave the deen because all his faith would be based on that.
With all the respect to the knowledge you gave me with the will of Allah, thank you to answer me your opinion about this subject. I am only looking for the truth, and to invite people to Islam the best way as possible. Barakallahu fikoum for all the work you have done. -
im not a cosmologist
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My really really dearr brorther hamza.. i wished you came to holland.. 🤗🤗🍰🎂
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Hey, I couldn't hear what the name of Abbas' book is. Hamza, can you please help with this?
Edit: Found it: Structure and Qur'anic Interpretation: A Study of Symmetry and Coherence in Islam's Holy Text (authored by Raymond Farrin) -
Well delivered Br Abbas.
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Truly gifted. Genius levels of intelligence.
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I like Abbas, Darren is still aggressive.
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when religious nutts act like physicists to bring the argument of the first mover/creator that was himself not created...
15:15 'hamza tzortsis annihilated him'.... yeah of course he did. hamza explained lawrence krauss, what his job is in which he is expert and does a living out of it, that his own "nothing" is something different and therefore annihilated him.
how deluded can one be to say such a crap and smile...
and 2 minutes later 17:50 abbas is trying to put into people the suggestion, that a scientist can not be atheist... i mean come on, you are a grown human being and you dont understand the simple word 'atheist'? are you insane?
for goodness sake... it goes on with stupidity on and on and on and on
22:30 trying to establish a 'miracle' of the quran itself. as if arabic is something special. it is a language like any other for fucks sake. and how comes it, that we have not only kufi scriptures but evolved arabiya (high arabic) with diacritical points. a 4 year old could tell you, that it has changed, and HUMANS did made those changes, HUMANS defined what which word has to mean and how to write. a 4 year old child could tell you, if you show him a kufi scripture from the "quran" and a today scripture from the "quran". is this a contest of how stupid you can make yourself?
44:30 and then god commanded him to use semantics... "never once used god"... no but you clearly wanted to proof the first mover/creator and mentioned the creator the first 'causer'... what a cheap shot. it is lying in the hiding... -
No, no, no. Why don't people first get an education, then learn the specifics and then talk about it?
The guy in the red beard has absolutely no clue what he's talking about, embarrasses himself and still thinks he's making a point. Why?
No, NOTHING begins to exist. That's antiquity we have long left behind.
"It's effect is simultaneous with its existence" WHAT? Hehehe is this guy serious? Drunk? Confused?
NO! An apple tree is not the cause of apples. No, you oaf, you do NOT cause anything. Why is that so difficult to grasp? You can exist without EVER causing a child. The cause of a child is the fusion of 2 human cells, each with a set of chromosomes. That fusion results in human reproduction.
Why are people telling me I need to watch these videos when they are so horrific? -
this is good entertainment. watching these ignorant dumbfuck muslims, who are completely scientifically illiterate, struggle.
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LOL Abbas surprised me when he said Raymond from American university of Kuwait i study there i'm gonna go to the prof. and surprise him with the video hehehe
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even if you can't do dawah on the streets, a simple comment on youtube or social media is there because millions of people will read the comment and it may have effect on them. alhamdulillah allah has made it easier for us to do this job but most of us are heedless
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some of the finest speakers of islam doing what they do best alhamdulillah. dawah is obligatory upon all muslims, you can be the perfect muslim but if dawah is missing you will not enter paradise, ya allah strengthen us and our wisdom and grant us patience so that we can master dawah and successfully engage in dialogue with those who are clueless. may Allah preserve the brothers like hamza and the other brother.
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The Jews claim the exact same thing with the Torah.22.00 onwards
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5:55 the atheist is just highlighting how Hinduism is the truth.. reincarnation is a fact
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24:08 photobomb is fire
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You say the Universe had a beginning, and it's obvious you believe in a creator that you call Allah. My question is, if Allah did create the Universe, why then hadn't he just have it come into existence as it is now, rather than doing via the Big Bang (a shitty name for it, considering how it one of the most incomprehensibly complex ideas in all of humanity's existence)? By the way, causality (the concept of cause and effect) does not apply on a fundamental particle level, because the underlying laws of physics do not care about the direction of time. Anyway, I look forward to anyone's answer.
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Great video. May Allah bless you
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