ATHEISTS vs RELIGIOUS on The BIG Debate
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Debate between Athieists with random single track minded big mouthed christian needs to have his ignorant say..... enjoy :) Frank Schaeffer Frank Schaeffer New York Times best-selling author GET UPDATES FROM Frank Schaeffer Like 919 The Atheist vs. Religion "Debate" Misses the Point Posted: 03/03/11 03:19 PM ET React Amazing Inspiring Funny Scary Hot Crazy Important Weird Follow Art , Christianity , Inspiration , Science , New Aethiests , Sam Harris , Evangelicals , Faith , God , Religion News share this story 45 37 13 Get Religion Alerts Sign Up Submit this story The "debate" about God is hopeless, as unsatisfying as trying to dress a cat. When religious people and/or atheists talk about God and/or pit science against God they are expressing their psychological need for certainty, not indulging in anything that could be described as an intellectual debate. They aren't talking about God (if any) but rather referring to the "God" of the Bible (or other religious books), as opposed to whatever might really be out there -- or not. The discussion isn't about God but about what the "Bible says" (or the Koran or whatever else says) about one conception of God. And that may or may not be about God since there is no reason to take anything any religious book "says" seriously, let alone literally -- unless it corresponds to some deeper truth we've experienced ourselves about how to treat others. I come from an evangelical background. (I describe why I quit that background and the the right wing politics of my youth in my book Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics -- and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway.) So given my background I'll stick to a look at the Christian attitude to the scriptures here. The Bible "Says..." Most Christians who say they "believe in God" really mean they believe in the Bible. As I describe in my book Sex, Mom and God that is how it was in my family. Most believers' starting point (say my religious leader father's starting point) is a book and a belief in something called revelation in that book -- in other words in magic -- not a belief in the person or persons or force or forces that we/they mean when they use the word "God." The so-called New Atheists do the same thing evangelical Christians, like my parents, did. For the New Atheists it's also all about a book and/or dumb people's dumb actions, not God. They say they are debating about God but really are only attacking religion and religious books -- say the Bible or the Koran -- and/or that actions of people taken in the name of those books, and think they have successfully attacked the idea of the existence of God. Is There An Alternative to the Circular Atheist vs. Religion "Debate"? Maybe the best thing a believer in God can do is to declare that a lot of the Bible is hate-filled blasphemy -- against any actual God. Maybe the best thing an atheist can do is admit that the question of God has nothing to do with religion, let alone with the actions of religious people. This possibility undermines most "arguments" for atheism made by most "professional atheists." It also renders all theology, let alone doctrine, irrelevant. The books written by New Atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris attack God by attacking religion. But that's not an argument that even begins to address the question of God or some other outside power's meddling in the formation of the universe, let alone first causes in cosmology pre-Big Bang. Conversely the "arguments" put forth by evangelicals and others take the Bible as a starting point which makes everything they say as irrelevant as that book is. The New Atheists' arguments make sense only as attacks on religion while the evangelicals' "defense" of God makes sense only as a defense of the Bible. When it comes to the atheists' attack on religion, there's plenty to attack. But who says religion as practiced today, let alone as "revealed" in so called holy books, has anything to do with any actual Creator, Force or Final Reality outside of the cosmos? When it comes to all the little questions like evolution and morals etc -- and I mean "little questions" in the sense that these are fluid details of our existence not THE question of origins and cosmology -- almost everyone is battling over a silly book or silly people's actions, not over God. And/or they are battling over what has been done in the name of religion or the name of secularity, not over any actual God. TAGS: MetatronResurrection Metatron MetatronGodsWord 2012 Atheist Christian jew muslim god jesus jebus faith debate religion science argument black loud igno Dawkins Creationism Design Darwin Intelligent "Intelligence (Literature Subject)" Proof Logic Truth Response Theory Belief Reason Evidence Comedy Earth Out Funny Morality Theism Humor Delusion Sketch Stand Challenge Theist Genesis Universe
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Good stuff I got to give the win to secular thinkers in the crowd, they made very good points. Whenever I watch these it's always the theist who get the most angry they hate having their views challenged, they are happy living in their little bubble but that bubble they are trying to hold onto is so out of date.
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Fucking dumb black guy in the beginning.
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the white guy with the glasses is going to be the next Richard Dawkins
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I love how people just fucking clap for no reason when anyone says anything.
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If you read the Bible, one thing is clear: God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell (2 Peter 3:9 for example) and it is my observation in my personal life that, if someone has been had by the devil's lies, God will intervene to show them the truth, however, when God does this, the devil counter-attacks with another lie, that being said, you want to know why some atheists have such an incredible repertoire of lies to deny God's existence? It means God intervened several times in their lives and every time, they chose to convince themselves of the lie the devil counter attacked with.
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I admit I gotta give it to the anchor he had enough patience to give the chance to everyone
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Can't we just get along for fucks sake
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The real reason why religions were invented, is to bring "constitution" like laws to the world so the barbaric manners would be extinct over time.
Then you just need a life after the life so that this one is not "meaningless" and everyone who believes in that would behave like you want to.
If your an Asshole you add a Hell so you can threaten everybody with Torture.
But those Rules may made sence when the Religions were invented but times Changed.
I also would't go on a holiday after lokking at a 2000 Year old "travel brochure"....
Im sorry if that wasn*t the best english but it's not my mother language. -
What happen 1 second before big bang , a lot of theories my believer friend.
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The truly religious are deaf and blind.
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religion is retarded
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Hahaha that one black guy who keeps interrupting
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If "God" created everything, what/who created "God"?
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There is great quote by Steven Hawking that can shut up people who use the "What happened before the big bang" argument. He basically says asking what happened before the big bang is like asking where the edge of the earth is
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One of the worst things a creationist can do is sneak their way around and say god caused evolution. It's not only contradicting, but it's very dishonest and practically cheating. Religion is literally a symptom of schizophrenia. I know people, especially some old folks that are so deep into it that they spend half their day praying to the ceiling and having dialogues with their imaginary god. It's impossible to argue with a creationist, as they always add anything to their belief at the time to try and corner you. Religion is pure cancer.
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all people have faith at an epistemological level. our reason rests on the shoulders of faith. it is an act of faith to assert that reason has any relation to reality at all.
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the problem is, a lot of atheists 'believe' in science. Some religious folk don't understand science.
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People just can't get it through their brains that the bible has been modified several times to support politics. The bs that blacks were meant to be servants was edited into the bible to support black slavery. People can be corrupted. Kings helped to support the selection of Popes. Do you think they would vote for people that went against their wishes? There are stories of the Hebrews killing every male, down to the babies, in a conquered city. That was something their leaders decided to do and they manipulated their followers into believing that the orders came from above. Isn't it strange how they were allowed to keep the attractive women even though all of the inhabitants of that city were supposedly evil?
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Scientist: Go ahead a jump on that thread. It will support you based on studies. The atheist jumps on, the thread snaps and the atheist falls 300 feet to his death. The scientist then theorizes that he calculations may have been slightly off. That's how real science has worked for centuries. It's educated guessing until it is proven by solid fact. There have been shitloads of mistakes.
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He's right. The atheists are exercising faith when they blindly follow scientific guesses.
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